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 Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 8:50 am Post subject: John Adams |
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Why is he ignored in history books of schools? Many people don't even know who he is even though they went to college.
I find that really, really sad...considering if it was not for him there would be no great Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson or George Washington. Each one was pushed by John Adams to be who they are remembered as.
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I suspect that it has something to do with being overshadowed by Washington and Jefferson and the fact that his "Alien and Sedition Acts" were considered a black stain on his presidency.
If anyone gets the chance to see the award-winning "John Adams" HBO mini series, it is VERY good. |
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Jefferson cheated on his wife with a slave. That didn't overshadow his good things.
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| J_Jammer wrote: | | Jefferson cheated on his wife with a slave. That didn't overshadow his good things. |
Mm, you guys are making points. I think it really boils down to the fact that he just wasn't nearly as popular. He did a lot but as a person, people didn't like him.
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| George Feeny (Wlliam Daniels) singing as John Adams in the movie 1776, takes the cake imo. |
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It's because he was a loser; a failure.
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| postwhore wrote: | | It's because he was a loser; a failure. |
If he failed there would be no George Washington, Jefferson or Franklin.
You know that, right?
Because he created all three with his hardwork and they ran with it and became popular.
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| r0cker4 wrote: | | George Feeny (Wlliam Daniels) singing as John Adams in the movie 1776, takes the cake imo. |
That is true.
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Um, I think stripping people of their right to free speech is a little bit worse than taking some slave to the bone zone.
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| MyTurnToFlogMolly wrote: | | Um, I think stripping people of their right to free speech is a little bit worse than taking some slave to the bone zone. |
If that is the only thing you can come up with that you view as bad then it is correct to state that you're taking what he did out of context. Incorrect as he may be...mean spirited wasn't the intent.
Unless you have more than that to state about how "bad" he was (and I was never speaking about him as just a President)---you really don't have much to go on.
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| J_Jammer wrote: | | MyTurnToFlogMolly wrote: | | Um, I think stripping people of their right to free speech is a little bit worse than taking some slave to the bone zone. |
If that is the only thing you can come up with that you view as bad then it is correct to state that you're taking what he did out of context. Incorrect as he may be...mean spirited wasn't the intent.
Unless you have more than that to state about how "bad" he was (and I was never speaking about him as just a President)---you really don't have much to go on. |
I was simply responding to your post about Jefferson's relationship with his slave not overshadowing the good things he had done.
I stick by what I said: John Adams signing the Alien and Sedition Acts was a far worse thing to do than banging a slave.
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| MyTurnToFlogMolly wrote: | | J_Jammer wrote: | | MyTurnToFlogMolly wrote: | | Um, I think stripping people of their right to free speech is a little bit worse than taking some slave to the bone zone. |
If that is the only thing you can come up with that you view as bad then it is correct to state that you're taking what he did out of context. Incorrect as he may be...mean spirited wasn't the intent.
Unless you have more than that to state about how "bad" he was (and I was never speaking about him as just a President)---you really don't have much to go on. |
I was simply responding to your post about Jefferson's relationship with his slave not overshadowing the good things he had done.
I stick by what I said: John Adams signing the Alien and Sedition Acts was a far worse thing to do than banging a slave. |
Jefferson also kept slaves and agreed that it should be removed from the Constitution that they were free.
John Adams wanted it to be specified that ALL MEN were created equal--including slaves.
Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin thought otherwise.
Unless keeping slaves was an ok thought by you.
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Most of the founding fathers had slaves. It was the times they lived in, and I do think Adams should be lauded for his progressivism.
But back to why Adams isn't as highly respected as he should be. Like a post earlier, I too think that being sandwiched inbetween Washington and Jefferson would be tough for any president to overcome. Washington was the first president, and Jefferson, was, well, Jefferson.
Another thing, I think, is that he only served one term in office. While this may not be his fault, it may have hindered him in historical importance. He was the only one out of the first five presidents to serve only one term (the next? His son. Coincidence?).
Also, he rarely got along with people in his time. While his integrity was never called into question, his personal relations with people sure were. And if most of his peers are essentially saying he was an asshole, it might be tough for historians of the time to overlook that.
However, as more time is passing, iI think he is getting more of the credit that he deserves.
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He didn't own slaves.
Coincidence?
He also fought harder than any of the founding fathers for independence and had he not been obnoxious about it...it most likely would have never happened.
People make mistakes and the ones he made were big because he was loud and boisterous but they were not as terrible as you make them out to be.
George Washington had protesters that freakin got right up to where he lived and protested his choice in not going to war.
He wasn't well loved all the time.
Neither was Jefferson. He was viewed as a radical.
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But he DID own slaves. It's just not on record, so there's absolutely no possible way for modern historians to have any idea that he did.
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